NZ is tough. It's very much a country of contradictions. NZers are quite self-aware as to their shortcomings and strengths as a country and culture (unlike goofy golden retriever Americans). They just don't want anyone else to point them out.
But getting back to the topic(s) at hand.... lol.... Ivy League and Stanford....
You have to consider this. These are people for whom the system has always worked. The system is just experiencing a little glitch right now. They are not billionaires but they are still elites. Now they are feeling the heat a little. But not a lot. Not like the rest of us.
Until they have a major life experience that challenges that (a serious one, like a family member dying because of government malfeasance, etc.) they will be holding hope that the system can be reformed. Better yet, perhaps the chaos can be controlled and THEY can be in charge of it the next time around. The new "big tent" intellectual leaders, if you will, trying to keep the pitchforks from getting too wild as they guide the mob back to its glorious freedom.
They are not the kids of a Nam-damaged vet.
They are not the kids whose mother and father were both nearly killed by mainstream medicine, and who grew up in a trailer park.
And they are not gonna get it until something like that happens to them.
They're already primed to understand it, ideologically. They're not stupid by any stretch. But it's gonna take something truly experiential. Because it always does, in my opinion.
Once you've been personally touched by this shit there is no going back.
This is why those who were raised in fascist and communist regimes were the first people to point this shit out at the beginning of the pandemic.
Well, some of us who are citizens have ALSO had the "benefit" (lol) of being on the receiving end of, "We're from the government. And we're here to help."
You and I both had parents damaged and nearly killed by the regime. There's no coming back from that unless the kid gets roped into Stockholm Syndrome -- which might be the majority.
But the point is, you and I had to claw our minds back from an intense degree of gaslighting. There's no coming back from that.
To some extent, they're still under the spell. No amount of intellectualizing about this will usually get a person there. All the anarchists I know are those with a serious life experience that showed them what the system really is.
Good buddy of mine went into the military right after high school before the wall came down, was stationed in Germany guarding nuke missiles. One of his military friends was disappeared after getting into a fight with a German cop whose dog had bit him.
That was the end of his belief system in the "American way."
Many military realize they are just cogs in a wheel and they feel it in their guts even if they can't eloquently verbalize it.
That's the difference between the working class and the intellectuals.
It's not their fault. It's just the way things are, for now, til enough happens that that changes.
There is something about you, though, that I hope you will permit me to say. Because I see it in myself, too.
You're whip-smart, so it's easy to use sarcasm and condescension as a weapon and to also sometimes slightly and intentionally misinterpret what someone is saying, to suit your own ends.
I see it cuz you are me. (Even though you are P and I'm J.)
I'm a creature in process...and all assets come with liabilities.
Stubbornness = tenacity for example.
I am fully aware that I have some assets that I misuse at times. Esp. when it involves someone that I perceive to be assuming a superior position or being a bully.
Which in a roundabout Joker way makes me the bully at times. Working on it.
And they manifest some of the same dynamic that I just described in that other communication.
But I feel like I solved that (psychological) mystery to my satisfaction and as such, it ain't a movie worth watching again. It got boring midway through.
This is the kind of psychologizing I was asking you about that one day about NZ!
Which is always dicey for all the reasons that we discussed but I'm fascinated with socialization and culture.
CJ Hopkins has expressed reluctance about characterizing Germany as fascist friendly but ironically allows that boy do they know how to do it!
Love it!!!
Yeah.
NZ is tough. It's very much a country of contradictions. NZers are quite self-aware as to their shortcomings and strengths as a country and culture (unlike goofy golden retriever Americans). They just don't want anyone else to point them out.
But getting back to the topic(s) at hand.... lol.... Ivy League and Stanford....
You have to consider this. These are people for whom the system has always worked. The system is just experiencing a little glitch right now. They are not billionaires but they are still elites. Now they are feeling the heat a little. But not a lot. Not like the rest of us.
Until they have a major life experience that challenges that (a serious one, like a family member dying because of government malfeasance, etc.) they will be holding hope that the system can be reformed. Better yet, perhaps the chaos can be controlled and THEY can be in charge of it the next time around. The new "big tent" intellectual leaders, if you will, trying to keep the pitchforks from getting too wild as they guide the mob back to its glorious freedom.
They are not the kids of a Nam-damaged vet.
They are not the kids whose mother and father were both nearly killed by mainstream medicine, and who grew up in a trailer park.
And they are not gonna get it until something like that happens to them.
They're already primed to understand it, ideologically. They're not stupid by any stretch. But it's gonna take something truly experiential. Because it always does, in my opinion.
Jimmy Dore calls them cul de sac kids.
You just provided a wonderful therapy session for me here. No snark.
Obviously you quickly picked up on what fuels me
Once you've been personally touched by this shit there is no going back.
This is why those who were raised in fascist and communist regimes were the first people to point this shit out at the beginning of the pandemic.
Well, some of us who are citizens have ALSO had the "benefit" (lol) of being on the receiving end of, "We're from the government. And we're here to help."
You and I both had parents damaged and nearly killed by the regime. There's no coming back from that unless the kid gets roped into Stockholm Syndrome -- which might be the majority.
But the point is, you and I had to claw our minds back from an intense degree of gaslighting. There's no coming back from that.
To some extent, they're still under the spell. No amount of intellectualizing about this will usually get a person there. All the anarchists I know are those with a serious life experience that showed them what the system really is.
Good buddy of mine went into the military right after high school before the wall came down, was stationed in Germany guarding nuke missiles. One of his military friends was disappeared after getting into a fight with a German cop whose dog had bit him.
That was the end of his belief system in the "American way."
Many military realize they are just cogs in a wheel and they feel it in their guts even if they can't eloquently verbalize it.
That's the difference between the working class and the intellectuals.
It's not their fault. It's just the way things are, for now, til enough happens that that changes.
I might veer off a bit and say that there is a genetic component aside from an experiential component, the "agreeableness" scale.
And if you are highly curious.
If you are very curious, at the end of the spectrum of that scale....you will keep pushing where others will shrug and say, "Ehh..."
This type sees us as impractical and damaged because we can't trust the system.
I see them as impractical and naive because a system can and will never be designed that is worthy of trust.
Even if we get something near utopia (doubtful) I'm gonna be pushing for something better.
lol
P.S.
There is something about you, though, that I hope you will permit me to say. Because I see it in myself, too.
You're whip-smart, so it's easy to use sarcasm and condescension as a weapon and to also sometimes slightly and intentionally misinterpret what someone is saying, to suit your own ends.
I see it cuz you are me. (Even though you are P and I'm J.)
LOL
Is this you? My husband was an INTP.
I find that these descriptions are often uncanny.
https://www.16personalities.com/intp-personality
That me!
I'm a creature in process...and all assets come with liabilities.
Stubbornness = tenacity for example.
I am fully aware that I have some assets that I misuse at times. Esp. when it involves someone that I perceive to be assuming a superior position or being a bully.
Which in a roundabout Joker way makes me the bully at times. Working on it.
Well, weтАЩre the slightly more inscrutable underdogs here.
Guess who sees themselves as even more underdog?
NOT A VIRUS ЁЯжа peeps
Correct. Some of them, to be sure.
I have some cool NAVs on my page.
And they manifest some of the same dynamic that I just described in that other communication.
But I feel like I solved that (psychological) mystery to my satisfaction and as such, it ain't a movie worth watching again. It got boring midway through.
Totally.
Whoa...your avatar changed again! Your son is so cute! ЁЯТФ
And you are so beautiful.
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